User talk:Afker

Section 0
Tim Starling is working on the interwiki template system today, so you might see some bugs like the one you reported. Hopefully they'll be working again soon. You might want to subscribe to the mailing list to get updates on bug fixes and other Wikicities news. Angela (talk) 06:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello. I've added a Sitenotice since this wiki is currently getting a lot of visits from Japan so I wanted to make sure that Japanese users would be able to find other wikis if they couldn't read this English one. Angela talk 04:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks Angela. Is there an easy way to check how many of the Japanese visitors actually look beyong the first few pages?  I know this wiki is linked to from a Japanese portal that doesn't exactly explain the link is to an English site... -Afker 04:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Dungeons & Dolls Images
I'm aware that AliceSoft has said no images of their games should be placed inside the Wiki unless the image itself is on their page as well, but I was wondering something...

I've been taking pictures of every girl in Dungeons & Dolls (about 80% done) and I was wondering if I could off-link to, say... My Photobucket account where they would all be. Would that still be in violation of AliceSoft's terms? -GrayFox2510 27 January, 2007.


 * Your photobucket account would be in violation of AliceSoft's terms, and I would consider linking to it also as a violation. I would advise using "imitations", some examples can be found in AliceSoftWiki:Policy (and it only took 10 minutes for me to make most of them). -Afker 03:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I did see about the imitations, but I think it wouldn't be the same. Oh well, at least I'll have a collection of them for if I ever feel nostalgic. Too bad I can't really show them off through. Thanks for the answer however. -GrayFox2510 30 January 2007

About Putting Links
Hi, thanks for reminding me. I'm still pretty new to Wikis so I'm sorry that I've somehow broken the wiki rules when I don't realize. What I am trying to do is just to encourage more collaboration among the gaming communities, by putting game info's link on good wikis, and putting links to good wiki on game info. (AliceSoft's link is on Gameinfo's mainpage.) My approach may be a bit wrong this time, so let's promote our gaming community together in a good way! =) Also, thanks for visiting and editting for GameInfo, I hope our link on GameInfo will add visitors to AliceSoft too. --Eric 20:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

GalZoo Island Omake Dungeon
Well, I can try revising it out of memory. Truth be told, I didn't really feel like going through that place again. Plus, I've already uninstalled (or more like simply deleted since there are no registry records) the game because I needed the space for some other things. Though then again, there's really nothing too hard about that dungeon aside from getting the tokens and fighting the... weird bosses that show up. -GrayFox2510 March 05, 2007.

WGEP
Your comment on Anime:Animepedia talk:Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project was interesting. I don't feel that we're going to change the name further anymore. ACG is a Asian coined word, but it's not recognized in the Western world where most of the WGEP's readers come from. Plus technically it would mean we're using an abbreviation within an abbreviation. WACGP for the abbreviated form, Wikia ACG Project supposedly would be a proper name, but the real full name would be Wikia Animation, Comics, and Games Project. And because the readers are mostly westerners the Games part would get confused with other types of games which are under the watch of Wikia's Gaming Hub. And the biggest reason... T_T It's a hellofalotta work to change the name. I changed it from Wikia Anime Project to Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project, and there was so much work involved in that, even using Bots to take out most of the work there are still remnants of the old name left over.
 * As for the Alice Soft Wiki joining the WGEP, that sounds interesting. Have you familiarized yourself with the various things that happen to wiki which join the project? Pages with info on that can be seen at What will happen? and Extended information. The first thing I scanned were your templates. Once the AutoTemplate bot runs, your Template:Disambig, Template:PD, and Template:Stub will be overridden. And Template:GFDL will become useless (I can help with any migrating you want; Bots handle that like pie). So you should check over Anime:Template:Disambig, Anime:Template:PD, Anime:Template:Stub, and Anime:Template:FS. I'd be interested in learning a bit of the Alice Soft Wiki's policies and positions on various things to compare them with the WGEP's. I was at some point considering creating a bot to regenerate the sidebar (because the sidebar is used to link back to the WGEP, and at times new Top-Level wiki are added), considering the extra links would you be comfortable adding new links using a special type of format? Most likely it'll be done by adding a few subpages to MediaWiki:Sidebar which the bot will read to decide what to add in addition to the standard things.
 * One of the things which deterred me from AliceSoft, other than the Gaming focus was the Japanese. How much more Japanese is used in the general areas of the site? I see something even in the site notice, but I don't know what it means. The Visual Novel and Animanga Related Games section of the WGEP was a unofficial idea, not a planned phase. So it can actually come in at any point. In fact, it might make the MMKB a little less opposed to joining.

On another note, I saw your stuff on Image Use. But from my memory you can at least use a few screenshots from the games under Fair use laws. Of course, there would be a few limitations, but generally Fair use laws are geared with free documentation in mind. ~Dantman -local (talk&#124;local) May 13, 2007 @ 20:41 (UTC)
 * I realize it won't work for much of the interface. But, using fair use you could probably use some box art, and screenshots of general areas of the games on the individual Game's main articles. It would be good for giving people a good look at what the game is actually like. On another note about re-drawing the interfaces. If you had your readers use SVG and draw those images in an editor like Inkscape, the quality of those images would be improved, and you could scale them up. ~Dantman -local (talk&#124;local) May 13, 2007 @ 21:01 (UTC)


 * In terms of ACG, I was mostly using it as a springboard to make the connection that AliceSoftWiki's focus would be highly related to WGEP. Your arguments against renaming makes perfect sense, and I respect that (-:
 * Most AliceSoft games are not actually "Visual Novel and Animanga Related Games", unless you count having a stereotypical "Anime art style" as being "Animanga related". And if simply having a stereotypical "anime art style" is sufficient to being considered an animanga-related game, then the "Visual Novel" part of the section name probalby should be deleted for redundency and dilution of focus.
 * Thanks for the headsup about the template conflicts. I'm fine with using Animepedia's version of the templates, and also fine with our GDFL template being useless.
 * For the sidebar, as long as I can keep the custom links we currently have, I don't mind the exact formatting or addition of new links.
 * The usage of Japanese:
 * Japanse site notice - Angela added it for us originally, and I modified it slightly. It currently says "Welcome to wikia!  For all Japanese wiki content, click here".  Angela added it because supposedly we are getting quite a bit of traffic from Japan (our site is listed on one of the major Japanese PC game walkthrough portals).
 * On the main page - The Japanese paragraph on the main page says "AliceSoftWiki is a wiki for all the fans that support Japanese (although it's currently only in English). It is not the AliceSoft's home page.  For AliceSoft's home page, click here."
 * Our Template:Box and Template:Game also uses Japanese. They display the English name, the Japanese name (in Japanese), and the romanization of the Japanese name, of various people/places/events/games etc.  Our Games article also shows the games' Japanese titles alongside our translated English names.
 * Sengoku Rance:Version history currently has quite a bit of untranslated Japanese text. Those are just placeholders until I (or someone else) get to translating them into English.
 * If there are any that I forgot about, please let me know. In general, this is an English content wiki.  Usage of Japanese is limited to notate the original Japanese term, or non-content notices for Japanese users (that are unnecessary for English users).
 * For image use, I intentionally chose a policy stricter than Fair Use, because the AliceSoftWiki is more as a fan wiki then the average "documentation wiki", and as an overzealous fan I would like to respect what AliceSoft wishes of us. That said, it is something that only applies to the AliceSoftWiki, and I do not intend to impose such limitations on any AliceSoft-related article on the main WGEP wiki (I assume for each game it'd have a general article on the WGEP wiki).  Is letting AliceSoftWiki keeping its existing policy while having the main WGEP fairuse anything AliceSoft-related an arrangement that is acceptable to you, or do you believe that the AliceSoftWiki should allow any fairuse image in order to be part of the WGEP?
 * For naming policies, we currently adopt a "plain-text friendly" convention towards romanizing Japanese names. That means where wikipedia uses "ō" we tend to use "ou".  Exceptions include things like "Tokyo" (Wikipedia doesn't use "Tōkyō" as their article name; and we probably won't use "Toukyou" if we need an article for that, unless it's something that happens to have the same pronouncation, but is not actually the current capital of Japan).  In the end, as long as redirect works, I don't particularily care about the exact naming convention.
 * Importing from wikipedia
 * Atlach-Nacha is an article that is imported from Wikipedia. For attribution, I mentioned wikipedia and provided the perma-link to the version that I exported from Wikipedia.  I'd be happy to have the article changed to whatever format WGEP requires for proper attribution to Wikipedia.
 * Aside from Atlach-Nacha, I don't really see any other article being imported from Wikipedia. If there happens to be a wikipedia article of decent quality on something AliceSoft-related, I'd be happy to import it.  But generally speaking I can type up an article from scratch better than what's currently on Wikipedia (with respect to AliceSoft-related topics).  So in general, I would prefer to be able to bypass the "when creating a new article, import what Wikipedia has first" policy.  Of course I can hack around it by simply import the wikipedia article, then do a complete rewrite (keeping the attribution which will become meaningless), so it's not too big an issue for me.
 * Those are all the issues I can think of right now. -Afker 21:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

For centralization, this conversation is being continued on AliceSoftWiki talk:WGEP

Gaming Hub
Hi Afker, I wanted to introduce myself. I've been working at Wikia for about 6 months working on a variety of marketing and business projects, but as of last week I am totally focused on growing our gaming communities. I think its great that you are asking the communities to link to the new gaming hub! I hope this will start to create a larger gaming community and editors will start editing multiple game wikis. We are also going to start to use the spotlight across Wikia to promote gaming wikis. Jimmy is doing an interview on G4 Network tonight to promote the gaming wikis so hopefully we will see a traffic bump from that too! Since you are obviously a passionate gamer and very knowledgeable I would love to get your ideas on other ways to grow existing and attract new gaming wikis angies (talk) 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Some thoughts:
 * I only sent out a general email over the mailinglist, which many people may not have read (or may not be on the mailing list). I'd suggest go to each gaming-related wiki, post on ther MediaWiki talk:Sidebar and/or Talk:Community Portal about adding the gaming hub to the profile.  Then after a few days, have wikia staff add the gaming hub to the sidebar of gaming wikis that were inactive/apathetic (for the wikis that discussed it and decided against it, respect their choices).
 * Alternate use of the wikia blogs - Right now the wikia blogs is only some low priority experimental tech toy to see if certain wikias can gain exposure via various blog-spiders. However, I see it as having potential to help develop a sense of higher-order community.  By letting members of the community feature articles from their side, and if we can let the gaming blog appear in the bottom of the gaming wikis (similar to how the Magazine wikias have RSS feed of content from other magazines, except I would suggest something that take up much less space), that can help encourage users to participate in other gaming wikis, or show them how other wikis structure their articles (and give them ideas on how to improve their own wikis).
 * Unfortunate wikia's current tech priority seems to be the new skin, and work on the blog is having lower priority. This affects which wikis actually can publish to the blog.
 * Another issue is that right now the Gaming blog is effectively taken over by fan fictions from the Earthen Ring Wiki. Fan fictions itself isn't a bad thing, but when other sites try to come up with an article from their own gaming wiki (which isn't a fan-fiction wiki, but a game-documentation wiki), it might skew the view of "what is appropriate" or "what is effective" to put on the gaming blog, and have an discouraging effect on other gaming-wikis to show case their feature articles on the blog at all.  Thus I would suggest that fan fiction articles go on some "Creativity Blog" instead of the Gaming Blog.  That might entail changing the blog association of Earthern Ring Wiki from Gaming to Creativity, or allow wikis to be a member of multiple blogs where they can choose which blog to publish about which article (as opposed to publishing in all the blogs they are associated with).
 * GameInfo needs a more active community to help establish itself as a focal point in the greater wikia gaming community. The hub on central is nice and useful and all, but a one-page hub isn't capable of building the greater community. We need an active community at GameInfo to be the nexus that cares about an inter-game meta-community, and that will attempt to keep wikis of individual games connected.  GameInfo needs to establish enough of a reputation so that, if a particular game doesn't have its own wiki on Wikia, a user would actually think about looking on GameInfo and build upon the content already on GameInfo (either by adding to GameInfo, or if the info has grown enough to split that entire section into a new wikia), instead of simply requesting and creating a new wiki from scratch.  Unfortunately I lack time and concrete vision to actively take a part in helping GameInfo (my hands are already full with respect to my own wiki and some other stuff), but if an overall greater gaming community is to succeed on Wikia, I believe GameInfo needs to be active and successful.
 * -Afker 02:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)